why book reviews, politics, sociology, and everything else is interminable to me
i am going to review the human war, by noah cicero
the human war, by noah cicero
i want to review it
but i don't know how to review a book
how do you review a book if you don't want to have preconceptions or exclude any information that exists
not having preconceptions and not excluding information that exists means i can't say 'good,' 'bad,' 'important,' 'problem'
i don't want to exclude any information if it exists, in the universe
you can't use the words 'important,' 'good,' 'bad,' or 'best' without having context
in the universe, the context is the universe
the universe has things in it that i don't know about
and i don't know how far it goes
therefore there is no context
context is impossible if you do not exclude information
even if you have context it is still strange to use the words 'good,' 'bad,' etc.
if i were reviewing a book and the context was a house then i'd have excluded everything outside the house
and if in the house were a hamster and a bear and the book was pro-bear
then i could say, 'this book is good for bears'
i still couldn't say, 'this book is good'
i couldn't unless i added 'for bears'
(humans always assume 'for humans'
people dislike george bush because, in the view of these people, bush is causing pain and suffering for humans
but what about dolphins, rocks, and, like, the sun, or the oort cloud
here is where people think i'm immature
it's immature to not have preconception
i agree
children have less preconceptions
as a child i protected my stuffed animals and put band-aids on them)
if the book were about scorpions then i could say 'this book is not important to the bear or the hamster because it is about scorpions'
i couldn't just say, 'this book isn't important'
i think what i want to say is that when a book is reviewed the universe is almost always reduced to 'earth,' 'the blogosphere,' or something like, 'the americas,' or 'the human race,' or else 'the human race plus all animals' or 'the human race plus all animals that look cute'
also
when a book is reviewed the reviewer shows that the reviewer is delusional, has delusions, thinks in contexts that exclude a lot of information, and has many preconceptions
and usually all i hear all the time is how 'art' is against 'excluding information,' 'easy answers,' 'narrow-mindedness'
reviewing a book is like being a publicly owned company
a publicly owned company must make more profits each year
that is it's goal
(both these things deny information, give a context, and deny meaninglessness; both have goals, and therefore both can use the words 'good,' 'bad,' and 'important')
the person who reviews a book has a goal, supposedly
you can't say 'good' or 'important' unless you have a goal
this is obvious
who can argue with that
no one can
this is inescapable
to have a 'goal'
for most people their 'goal' is to be happy or to avoid pain and suffering
if you don't have a 'goal' anymore then i don't know what happens
people sometimes temporary don't have a 'goal'
this happens to me a lot
i want to say one more thing
people who hate capitalism
if you hate capitalism then maybe you shouldn't buy things from any company that is publicly owned
these companies must make more profits each year, and a lot more, like 20% more, and profits, not gross sales, or else they are fucked; if amazon does not make more profits this year than last year their stock price will go down
they can't just make the same amount each year, they must keep making more
what does this do to people
this kind of thinking
there is no end to it
it can't be satisfied
and it's not focused on humans
it's focused on abstractions, like 'value,' 'profits,' etc.
so if you hate capitalism or talk about how you hate materialism or anything like that then if you want to stop all that then you should just only spend money from places that are not publicly owned
'democrats' and 'conservatives' both support the system that will maintain the existence of publically owned companies, i think
so if you are voting democrat next time instead of conservative, think about what you are really voting for
but
still
this has context
(what i just typed above)
it has the context of your life and the lives of other human beings who are not happy with civilization
this excludes the information that there are hamsters, dolphins, moose, happy businessmen, thousands of happy middle-class families buying amazon stock and making a lot of money; alien people on other planets, rocks, moss; live moss, atoms; and germs; and abstractions (is it too immature too assume that ideas deserve rights, that ideas have feelings?)
it even excludes the idea of 'time'
'time' is supposedly infinite, it will go on forever
and sometime that goes on forever has already happened, pretty much
no one knows what effect george bush has on people who are alive 10,000 years from now
the same with say john kerry, or ralph nader
voting for ralph nader could mean that 100,000,000,000 people will suffer horrible pain 10,000,000 years from now when 100,000,000,000,000 exist in the world
while voting for george bush could mean that 100,000,000,000 people will not suffer in the future because there will be no people
you can move those names and numbers around
(and all those people exist; time is just a preconception, probably; so they already exist, they're there, in the future, walking around, blogging; our actions effect them)
no one knows
no one knows what to do in the world to not cause pain and suffering
(fernando pessoa talks about this; he says this is why he is never kind or mean, as how does he know that giving money to a person is kind, or if being friendly to someone will actually be 'good' for the world, to anyone; he simply exists, trying very hard not to influence anything in the world)
but even that excludes information
it excludes the knowledge of 'cause and effect'
'cause and effect' is the opposite of 'free will,' sort of
so there's the question of
how can it be that humans are conscious but also do not have free will
even that question excludes information
if you don't exclude information you are not dead and you are not alive
you are enlightened
and you are something that can't be explained with words
and this is impossible, probably
typing about it excludes information
thinking is a preconception
this is what book reviewing is like
book reviewing sustains a kind of reality that though is not very truthful will keep you going, keep you busy and meaningful, until you die
if you are a book reviewer you will not fear the horrible meaninglessness of life
people create distractions
if you go to school everything you learn will be a preconception that will help distract you until you die
if you read david foster wallace you will have many distractions to think about
politics, sociology
those are two major distractions, two major delusions
this post is also a major distraction, philosophy
maybe it isn't a distraction, maybe it's engaging with what i'm typing about
i don't know
it's too hard to think
i just know that book reviewers usually cannot function if they feel the horrible meaninglessness of life
because when you feel it you know that nothing matters, that 'good' or 'bad do not exist, etc.
but i just want to read stories and poems by people who fear the horrible meaninglessness of life
and if a book reviewer reads a book that fears the horrible meaninglessness of life then something strange might happen; the book reviewer might change
but probably not
the book reviewer will probably just say, 'this book is not life-affirming'
or, 'this book is narcisistic, solipsistic, cynical, immature'
(i have never understood 95% of what anyone says; i have never understood the word 'cynical,' have always thought that it obvious that people act in service of themselves, even selflessness is in service of the self, to get away from guilt or discomfort, etc.)
the book reviewer will say something about 'angst' and maybe 'catcher in the rye' or 'teenagers'
or they might ignore the passages on the horrible meaninglessness of life and talk about how minimalism has destroyed america
now people reading this post will want me to give them answers
'you complain so much but you just sit there complaining'
yeah, that's about right
i have no answers
answers are preconceptions
facts are also preconceptions
but answers are preconceptions gotten from facts
'once-removed' preconceptions
i just have all these observations
i could easily refute every sentence i typed here with another sentence
and then do another sentence refuting both sentences
here is the review for noah cicero's the human war:
i liked it
it had humans petting other humans
it had a thing about a dolphin
here was my blurb for it:
"Noah Cicero's The Human War talks about meaninglessness, the stupidity of human beings, the worthlessness and dumbassedness of human beings; while reading it I felt happy, excited, and motivated; after reading it it was 3 a.m. and I wanted to go to the library to email Noah so I went outside and it was snowing and I got to the train and I sat in the train for thirty-minutes and it did not move so I went back to my room and went to sleep."
the human war, by noah cicero
i want to review it
but i don't know how to review a book
how do you review a book if you don't want to have preconceptions or exclude any information that exists
not having preconceptions and not excluding information that exists means i can't say 'good,' 'bad,' 'important,' 'problem'
i don't want to exclude any information if it exists, in the universe
you can't use the words 'important,' 'good,' 'bad,' or 'best' without having context
in the universe, the context is the universe
the universe has things in it that i don't know about
and i don't know how far it goes
therefore there is no context
context is impossible if you do not exclude information
even if you have context it is still strange to use the words 'good,' 'bad,' etc.
if i were reviewing a book and the context was a house then i'd have excluded everything outside the house
and if in the house were a hamster and a bear and the book was pro-bear
then i could say, 'this book is good for bears'
i still couldn't say, 'this book is good'
i couldn't unless i added 'for bears'
(humans always assume 'for humans'
people dislike george bush because, in the view of these people, bush is causing pain and suffering for humans
but what about dolphins, rocks, and, like, the sun, or the oort cloud
here is where people think i'm immature
it's immature to not have preconception
i agree
children have less preconceptions
as a child i protected my stuffed animals and put band-aids on them)
if the book were about scorpions then i could say 'this book is not important to the bear or the hamster because it is about scorpions'
i couldn't just say, 'this book isn't important'
i think what i want to say is that when a book is reviewed the universe is almost always reduced to 'earth,' 'the blogosphere,' or something like, 'the americas,' or 'the human race,' or else 'the human race plus all animals' or 'the human race plus all animals that look cute'
also
when a book is reviewed the reviewer shows that the reviewer is delusional, has delusions, thinks in contexts that exclude a lot of information, and has many preconceptions
and usually all i hear all the time is how 'art' is against 'excluding information,' 'easy answers,' 'narrow-mindedness'
reviewing a book is like being a publicly owned company
a publicly owned company must make more profits each year
that is it's goal
(both these things deny information, give a context, and deny meaninglessness; both have goals, and therefore both can use the words 'good,' 'bad,' and 'important')
the person who reviews a book has a goal, supposedly
you can't say 'good' or 'important' unless you have a goal
this is obvious
who can argue with that
no one can
this is inescapable
to have a 'goal'
for most people their 'goal' is to be happy or to avoid pain and suffering
if you don't have a 'goal' anymore then i don't know what happens
people sometimes temporary don't have a 'goal'
this happens to me a lot
i want to say one more thing
people who hate capitalism
if you hate capitalism then maybe you shouldn't buy things from any company that is publicly owned
these companies must make more profits each year, and a lot more, like 20% more, and profits, not gross sales, or else they are fucked; if amazon does not make more profits this year than last year their stock price will go down
they can't just make the same amount each year, they must keep making more
what does this do to people
this kind of thinking
there is no end to it
it can't be satisfied
and it's not focused on humans
it's focused on abstractions, like 'value,' 'profits,' etc.
so if you hate capitalism or talk about how you hate materialism or anything like that then if you want to stop all that then you should just only spend money from places that are not publicly owned
'democrats' and 'conservatives' both support the system that will maintain the existence of publically owned companies, i think
so if you are voting democrat next time instead of conservative, think about what you are really voting for
but
still
this has context
(what i just typed above)
it has the context of your life and the lives of other human beings who are not happy with civilization
this excludes the information that there are hamsters, dolphins, moose, happy businessmen, thousands of happy middle-class families buying amazon stock and making a lot of money; alien people on other planets, rocks, moss; live moss, atoms; and germs; and abstractions (is it too immature too assume that ideas deserve rights, that ideas have feelings?)
it even excludes the idea of 'time'
'time' is supposedly infinite, it will go on forever
and sometime that goes on forever has already happened, pretty much
no one knows what effect george bush has on people who are alive 10,000 years from now
the same with say john kerry, or ralph nader
voting for ralph nader could mean that 100,000,000,000 people will suffer horrible pain 10,000,000 years from now when 100,000,000,000,000 exist in the world
while voting for george bush could mean that 100,000,000,000 people will not suffer in the future because there will be no people
you can move those names and numbers around
(and all those people exist; time is just a preconception, probably; so they already exist, they're there, in the future, walking around, blogging; our actions effect them)
no one knows
no one knows what to do in the world to not cause pain and suffering
(fernando pessoa talks about this; he says this is why he is never kind or mean, as how does he know that giving money to a person is kind, or if being friendly to someone will actually be 'good' for the world, to anyone; he simply exists, trying very hard not to influence anything in the world)
but even that excludes information
it excludes the knowledge of 'cause and effect'
'cause and effect' is the opposite of 'free will,' sort of
so there's the question of
how can it be that humans are conscious but also do not have free will
even that question excludes information
if you don't exclude information you are not dead and you are not alive
you are enlightened
and you are something that can't be explained with words
and this is impossible, probably
typing about it excludes information
thinking is a preconception
this is what book reviewing is like
book reviewing sustains a kind of reality that though is not very truthful will keep you going, keep you busy and meaningful, until you die
if you are a book reviewer you will not fear the horrible meaninglessness of life
people create distractions
if you go to school everything you learn will be a preconception that will help distract you until you die
if you read david foster wallace you will have many distractions to think about
politics, sociology
those are two major distractions, two major delusions
this post is also a major distraction, philosophy
maybe it isn't a distraction, maybe it's engaging with what i'm typing about
i don't know
it's too hard to think
i just know that book reviewers usually cannot function if they feel the horrible meaninglessness of life
because when you feel it you know that nothing matters, that 'good' or 'bad do not exist, etc.
but i just want to read stories and poems by people who fear the horrible meaninglessness of life
and if a book reviewer reads a book that fears the horrible meaninglessness of life then something strange might happen; the book reviewer might change
but probably not
the book reviewer will probably just say, 'this book is not life-affirming'
or, 'this book is narcisistic, solipsistic, cynical, immature'
(i have never understood 95% of what anyone says; i have never understood the word 'cynical,' have always thought that it obvious that people act in service of themselves, even selflessness is in service of the self, to get away from guilt or discomfort, etc.)
the book reviewer will say something about 'angst' and maybe 'catcher in the rye' or 'teenagers'
or they might ignore the passages on the horrible meaninglessness of life and talk about how minimalism has destroyed america
now people reading this post will want me to give them answers
'you complain so much but you just sit there complaining'
yeah, that's about right
i have no answers
answers are preconceptions
facts are also preconceptions
but answers are preconceptions gotten from facts
'once-removed' preconceptions
i just have all these observations
i could easily refute every sentence i typed here with another sentence
and then do another sentence refuting both sentences
here is the review for noah cicero's the human war:
i liked it
it had humans petting other humans
it had a thing about a dolphin
here was my blurb for it:
"Noah Cicero's The Human War talks about meaninglessness, the stupidity of human beings, the worthlessness and dumbassedness of human beings; while reading it I felt happy, excited, and motivated; after reading it it was 3 a.m. and I wanted to go to the library to email Noah so I went outside and it was snowing and I got to the train and I sat in the train for thirty-minutes and it did not move so I went back to my room and went to sleep."




21 Comments:
thank you for reviewing this book. i put it (the blurb) on my page and i put it first because it should be read before anything else, because it has the word meaninglessness in it, which is a far stronger word than "brutal," "funny," "political"or whatnot.
i think every book review should have to be preceded by a statement like this, where the reviewer explains what he thinks the context is. we won't really know who he is then, but we'll know how much nerve he has.
if i had any nerve i would have put your entire statement on my site as the ultimate advertisement for noah's book. but i didn't do that.
i like reading what you write because you destroy the fakest parts of myself, although that is only temporary.
brother tao, i'm selling all my stocks and sending you the money to start a new church.
unless you're the usher. then forget it.
i read some of this. you kind of go on and on. it reminded me of the first day of philosophy 101, before we start to hone our ideas. tell me, was it a positive review? it seemed so, but i didn't have time to root though all the tao-talking-about-tao stuff and get to the tao-talking-about-something-outside-of-tao part.
if you could do little post-summaries at the top of these longer ones, that would be helpful.
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It seems like you are hyper-focused on the notion of absolutism. Humans cannot conceive of absolutism. One person thinks, “God created the Universe.” But then anyone with half a brain can ask the next question, “Well, who created God?” And it goes on and on and on forever. To discuss the issue is interminable.
And what you said is true – how can you discuss a political issue seriously if you can abstract it to a point where it all becomes meaningless? It does seem like there is no point. This pointlessness causes me despair.
But at some point in time I accepted this: That the universe is a system, which may or may not be part of larger system, and within that system are planets, and on those planets are creatures, and some of those creatures are humans, and humans are very complex and have almost infinite systems in which they function.
So, yes, I am being biased when I choose to focus on the intricacies of the human system. But I don’t judge myself too harshly – I am human after all. I am hard-wired to function within this system.
“(fernando pessoa talks about this; he says this is why he is never kind or mean, as how does he know that giving money to a person is kind, or if being friendly to someone will actually be 'good' for the world, to anyone; he simply exists, trying very hard not to influence anything in the world)”
I’ve read a little Pessoa, too – not as much as you have, probably – but I did not interpret his work in this way. I interpreted his existential thoughts in a more general sense – more like, human existence is the balance between feeling this despair and between functioning in the world. But, I can see how my ‘worldview’ affected my interpretation. The same goes for Benjamin Kunkel’s review. The same goes for yours.
The thing is, Tao, this attitude of ‘trying very hard not to influence anything in the world’ seems to me like a psychological defense mechanism (another sub-system of the human experience). It’s okay. Everyone has psychological defense mechanisms. When I get sad and depressed I go out with friends and get a little drunk and talk about stupid shit. It makes me laugh. It makes me happy that I have people who can distract me from my misery. (I’ll get back to distractions in a minute.)
By refusing to ‘influence the world’, you are in fact protecting yourself from being influenced. Why take the risk of engaging the world when you might get burned? Maybe it’s easier not to feel anything than to feel pain. (Not for me – I am a little masochistic.)
As for distractions: I think you’ve said before something like, “Emotions are just a distraction.” Here you’re saying, “Writing a book review is just a distraction to help us forget we’re going to die.” But so what? If you just die and nothing happens then what are you distracting yourself from? What is the point in living otherwise?
All I know is that when I sit around a do nothing for long stretches of time, the act of living becomes really, really difficult. We’re hard-wired to want to do stuff. Boredom and despair are the emotions that propel us into action.
Now, maybe I could become a Buddhist and try to achieve Enlightenment, but to me, that seems just as arbitrary as living my life as a hoodlum. Besides, other aspects of life appeal to me more, like experiencing love, having children, having friends, reading, writing stories, writing essays, etc.
Back to systems now: I would say, instead of viewing these endless systems as convoluted and destructive, why not just view them neutrally? Every system has checks and balances within it. You say voting for Nader could cause pain and suffering for people 10,000,000,000 years from now. On the flip side – like you said, you can fill in the blanks – voting for Nader could have some really weird effect, like maybe aliens will come from another galaxy and with the wave of a hand, they’ll correct all our environmental problems. Or whatever.
The point is, you just don’t know. And it doesn’t matter. What you do doesn’t matter in the infinite scheme of things. But it does matter in your small subset of the scheme of things.
And maybe I’m just an optimist, but I think if all the little subsystems and sub-networks that contribute to the overall system of human experience are constantly working toward positive goals, then I can’t imagine why things can’t improve at a larger scale – why pain and suffering won’t diminish over time.
In the future, pain and suffering will assume a new form. Just like Americans are hyper-focused on their psychological pain and suffering, where Arabs are hyper-focused on their socio-political pain and suffering, where people from third-world countries are hyper-focused on their physical pain and suffering.
But aren’t you glad you aren’t starving to death? Doesn’t your full belly represent progress? Who knows what form progress will take a billion years from now?
I don’t know. I’ve said this before but I really think it comes down to a matter of perspective. You can know everything you know and accept it, and try to live your life as well as you can – or as neutrally as you can. Or you can be upset about it and let it rule you to the point where you don’t think about anything else. (Which is how it seems with you.)
james:
thank you, i enjoyed reading your comment
"...destroy the fakest parts of myself, although that is only temporary."
thank you; while typing it my fakest parts were destroyed, but then i went and ate a grilled cheese sandwich and went home and listened to music
clay:
clay, my next poetry book will be called: a new church
i like that
shya:
But, anyway, the woman, at any rate, went to the, and, uh, for any rate.
karin:
i haven't read your comment yet, i will later
but if it's arguing against me, trying to convince me of something, or arguing against the post itself, then you didn't really read my post
Tao, you're so dismissive. We're just having a conversation.
I'm planning to eat a grilled cheese and tomato sandwich for dinner tonight.
"I’ve read a little Pessoa, too – not as much as you have, probably – but I did not interpret his work in this way."
he wrote exactly what i wrote he wrote, he just wrote it about five different times in poems, essays, etc.
"By refusing to ‘influence the world’, you are in fact protecting yourself from being influenced."
you're refuting all the things i said
but the things i said were observations, not things of advice or rhetoric
'refuting' is the same as 'giving answers' in a way
"As for distractions: I think you’ve said before something like, “Emotions are just a distraction.” Here you’re saying, “Writing a book review is just a distraction to help us forget we’re going to die.” But so what? If you just die and nothing happens then what are you distracting yourself from? What is the point in living otherwise?"
what do you mean 'so what'
i didn't say there was anything 'wrong' with this
and not because there isn't anything 'wrong' with it
but because the person who wrote this post doesn't know what the word 'wrong' means since the person who wrote it wrote it while trying not to have preconceptions
"Back to systems now: I would say, instead of viewing these endless systems as convoluted and destructive, why not just view them neutrally?"
okay
"The point is, you just don’t know."
uh, didn't i type: 'i don't know'?
"Just like Americans are hyper-focused on their psychological pain and suffering, where Arabs are hyper-focused on their socio-political pain and suffering, where people from third-world countries are hyper-focused on their physical pain and suffering."
i think you can think a little harder about this
"You can know everything you know and accept it, and try to live your life as well as you can – or as neutrally as you can. Or you can be upset about it and let it rule you to the point where you don’t think about anything else. (Which is how it seems with you.)"
i don't know what you are talking about
please read the post again
it's like if i went on oprah and talked about meaninglessness
oprah would ask me about casseroles
but she would probably accept that we were different people
and she would go home and make casseroles
and i would go home and blog about meaninglessness
but here you're coming to my home and telling me to go to your home and make casseroles
something like that
i'm not arguing anything right now
just having observations
i'm not refuting, answering, etc. anything i don't think
i shouldn't post this comment because it's less enlightened than the post itself
whatever. you obviously just want people like james to come on here and tell you that you are the smartest person in the universe. you don't care to have actual discussions. you like to make pronouncements.
You are the smartest person in the universe.
In book reviews, be sure and talk a lot about the "arc" of the narrative. Piece of cake.
tao is not the smartest person in the universe.
he may in fact be wrong about everything that it is possible to be right or wrong about.
but all he's mentioning here is that there are some things that people talk about in a very definite way, as if there were a right or wrong.
his subject was book reviews. i see this happen in book reviews all the time. the reviewer takes a superior tone that says "unfortunately the author has forgotten that good art must always have X and must never have Y."
strictures about art are always a category error. they come after the fact, and are a matter of taste, and have nothing to do with the process of making the art.
i'm sure all the strictures can be "proven right," within somebody's system of meaning.
but since the books i personally prefer are all "wrong," i've started to notice that i personally should avoid strictures about art.
in general, karin, you are approaching these fellas, noah and tao, as if they are living the wrong lives and need to be set right. your strictures are all about "happiness."
whereas this is not a case of right or wrong, or of them "focusing" on certain "wrong" things. nor is it slipping their minds that they could be happy if they would just change "focus." nor are they "arguing" for a certain "meaning."
all they are is lives. a life is a certain flavor, a certain preference.
if you go into a coffee bar and there are ten kinds of espresso placed in front of you, and you taste them all and hate them all, it's a good idea to say "espresso isn't a drink i like, i'm leaving to go have a cup of green tea somewhere else."
it would be a bad idea to go tell the owner that he really must put a spoonful of bicarbonate in every cup he makes for every customer, because he should be choosing to focus on what is lovely and mild in coffee, and not what is bitter and strong.
maybe everyone wants to be happy, i don't know. the way to become happy, though, is totally different for different people. very few people can actually respond to simple recipes for how to be happy.
one of the reasons people go crazy in a society is that the society tells them what they must do to become happy and well-adjusted. and they try to live this way. but because the recipe has nothing to do with who they really are, the result is alienation and worse suffering.
for some people, life's not about trying to make themselves happy at all, but is an attempt to avoid self-serving self-help ("choose to focus on the positive"), and instead to look at the truth and know it, and maybe do something that feels meaningful.
then maybe happiness will follow after that, but that can't be the goal of such a life. happiness doesn't equate with the truth necessarily.
James:
Thank you for writing a respectful, articulate response to what I wrote, instead of just pointing at the potential holes in my argument and ignoring everything else (and accusing me of not reading your post). You absorbed what I said and responded in kind.
I disagree when you said Tao’s initial post was about book reviews. The title of the post is, ‘why book reviews, politics, sociology, and everything else is interminable to me’.
Tao often says, “I don’t believe in right and wrong, I don’t pass judgment on anything.” But the tone of this blog is consistently judgmental. Calling politics and sociology interminable is a very harsh thing to say. It’s as if he’s saying there’s no point in learning about or pursuing those fields.
Now, he’d likely say, “I never said that. I don’t care how people distract themselves.” But then, someone will say something social or political and he will say, “I cannot argue this point because this subject is interminable to me.”
And when someone says something like that, it sounds like the voice of God, as if we mere mortals are trivial and that we discuss topics that are beneath him. Like those who find value in reading Salman Rushdie, or Phillip Roth, or Vladimir Nabokov, and who like reading and writing book reviews for a number of reasons.
However, I do like what he says here:
i don't want to exclude any information if it exists, in the universe
you can't use the words 'important,' 'good,' 'bad,' or 'best' without having context
in the universe, the context is the universe
the universe has things in it that i don't know about
and i don't know how far it goes
therefore there is no context
context is impossible if you do not exclude information
even if you have context it is still strange to use the words 'good,' 'bad,' etc.
if i were reviewing a book and the context was a house then i'd have excluded everything outside the house
and if in the house were a hamster and a bear and the book was pro-bear
then i could say, 'this book is good for bears'
The only point I was arguing – when I was talking about systems within systems – is that I have no issue saying things like ‘this book is good for bears’ when I’m speaking within the system of the story.
Now, I understand that the above is merely an observation – and it’s a good observation. But Tao often undercuts the value of his observations by continually employing a superior and dismissive tone. Not the kind you referred to – “unfortunately the author has forgotten that good art must always have X and must never have Y.”
More like this:
“when a book is reviewed the reviewer shows that the reviewer is delusional, has delusions, thinks in contexts that exclude a lot of information, and has many preconceptions”
I don’t know about you, but to me, that’s an exaggeration.
Here is the common usage definition of delusion:
“A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.”
So, am I to assume, then that that most people who review books – and who think about politics, who appreciate psychology, who like popular writers – are mentally ill?
Or should I assume that a given review is invalid because the reviewer didn’t account for how hamsters might perceive the story?
“in general, karin, you are approaching these fellas, noah and tao, as if they are living the wrong lives and need to be set right. your strictures are all about ‘happiness.’”
I don’t believe that I’ve ever implied they needed to be set straight. And I don’t think my ‘strictures’ are about happiness. I think I’ve been advocating balance. I’m advocating solid arguments. I’m advocating neutrality. Tao might appear to advocate neutrality, but he doesn’t. He’s advocating non-interference on an absolute level. (Though Tao would say he advocates nothing.)
“(fernando pessoa talks about this; he says this is why he is never kind or mean, as how does he know that giving money to a person is kind, or if being friendly to someone will actually be 'good' for the world, to anyone; he simply exists, trying very hard not to influence anything in the world)”
And fine, maybe it’s my “focus” or “flavor” to favor emotionality, but I don’t see how the above approach to living is valid at all.
“[He] is never kind or mean.” This implies there is no point to kindness or meanness because one can never know what the net effect on a universal scale will be.
I wonder how well that concept will hold when a loved one of his is dying, or when someone tries to take advantage of him in some way.
This is why I keep talking about systems – in particular, the human system. The “human condition”, if you will.
I find it funny that Tao compares me to Oprah (“but here you're coming to my home and telling me to go to your home and make casseroles [like Oprah did]”) and that you seem to think that I ascribe to self-help theories (“choose to focus on the positive”).
Maybe this is all a consequence of misunderstanding. Maybe I misunderstand Tao, he misunderstands me, and you misunderstand how I misunderstand Tao. Don’t you find this interesting?
Aren’t the complexities of these systems interesting? Why disdain them? Why imply they are the root of all pain and suffering? Why not just accept them as they are and try to understand them?
Why not see that book reviews have their place within the system of literature? That they are a system of disseminating information to the masses, and that they increase our overall understanding of the system of reading and writing.
Of course a given reviewer cannot account for every piece of information that might warrant scrutiny. But then, couldn’t a person think, “Well, I liked what he said about X, Y, and Z, but what he said about A, B, and C needs to be examined more.”
If so, why not address the missing pieces? Isn’t a more extensive look at a given problem within a system better than dismissing the system altogether, better than writing things like, “Noah Cicero's The Human War talks about meaninglessness, the stupidity of human beings, the worthlessness and dumbassedness of human beings”?
I know, I know, “There is no such thing as ‘better’.”
“for some people, life's not about trying to make themselves happy at all, but is an attempt to avoid self-serving self-help ("choose to focus on the positive"), and instead to look at the truth and know it, and maybe do something that feels meaningful.”
And I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. I just disagree with Tao when he says, “What I say is like saying 2+2=4.”
I just don’t think his truth is fully examined. He might believe that any truth he hasn’t examined lies outside the realm of human perception, but I don’t.
Not that I think my truth is fully examined, which is why I’m engaging in this stupid discussion to begin with.
I am very happy.
Last I got a lapdance from a wonderful person.
I had Adidas soft pants on.
She laid on it, and just grinded smiling.
Usually they dance.
But this tim she just grinded.
Then she kissed my cheek and giggled when it was over.
I felt like the money had been given to the wrong person for a second.
But I said fuck, double standard america rules.
And smiled.
Karin:
There might've been seeming contradictions in Tao's post (you mentioned how the title of the post didn't match the content, among other things) b/c he seemed (to me anyway) to approach the book review without any plan--
which was a really honest/refreshing thing to do-- and no matter where one falls in terms of their personal preferences for books (un/emotional, pre/conceived or whatever)-- that's something that can be universally appreciated...
I'm into conflict resolution I guess.
i read the comments
i'm at work
can't think
i'm multitasking
i have email, instant messenger, the library's processing system, and this screen up, and i'm putting stickers on books and writing things on papers; i'm confused a little
i'll respond soon
i'm ready to comment on what people said
zeldafitz, hi
james, thank you for an engaging coffee metaphor
karin, thank you for coming back; the thing you wrote about complexity, that is enormously interminable to me, all those complex things
i talked about this in the post itself; i said 'david foster wallace'
when i wrote the post i felt like i was somewhere else
when i write these comments i feel like i am in sixth grade through senior year in college
i would like to smile like noah
noah's reaction to my post was acceptable
i said something
then he said something
later i will say something
these people sound happy to me.
everything is an illusion, maya and suffering are one.
dolphins would be a nice thing to think about now. though i'm told they are not valid.
It would be really hot if a dolphin could give me a lap dance.
i want to see a hamster give a hamster a lap dance
That would be so cute!
hamsters got laps?
I'm not neutral. I like to argue.
About this statement:
"I’m advocating neutrality. Tao might appear to advocate neutrality, but he doesn’t."
Neutrality cannot be advocated in the positive or negative because neither of those states is neutral. If you advocate neutrality it ceases to exist. Neutrons cannot repel electrons, protons do.
I would also argue (non-neutrally) that the "horrible meaningless of life," with or without the word horrible, is a non-neutral idea that attempts to describe neutrality. It excludes information. If a neutron was neither a proton or an electron is would not exist. Maybe that would be horrible. But since it does exist and does not seem to repel or attract then maybe it does both equally at the same time.
Maybe this is a crap analogy. I'm not a scientist.
Meaninglessness seems infinite, like a boundless void, but it only exists in the context (and exclusion) of finite temporary meanings. Meaninglessness cannot be neutral, and it cannot exist without meaning. Tao and Karin prove each other right. Life must be as meaningful as it is meaningless, as joyous as it is horrible, or it cannot be neutral.
Non-duality is as much the absence of either state as it is the presence of both equally.
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